@WrCombs said in Database Server vs File Server: What's Different:

@scottalanmiller said in Database Server vs File Server: What's Different:

@WrCombs said in Database Server vs File Server: What's Different:

Is it possible for a File server to run a database server ? how would that be classified at that point ?

No, conceptually that would not mean anything. A file server and a database server are discrete concepts.

A single operating system can run neither, either, or both. But as servers themselves, they are discrete.

I gotcha. It was one of those hypothetical questions

What's messy is that technical file servers are a very, very specific form of database server. Because a file server presents a file system over a network. And a file system is a special case database.

No one really thinks about this and absolutely no one will talk about file servers this way, but for understanding what is actually happening... file servers are special purpose database servers. And that is very easy to prove.

So a file server is a database server, but a database server is not a file server. But file servers are so common, unique, and discrete, we treat them as totally different animals and no one considers the two to even be similar.

It is because of this licensing discrepency that we know that CloudAtCost was running a scam. They advertised Windows servers that were unlicensed, and unlicensable.

@wrcombs said in Site Moved a PC=A MESS:

@scottalanmiller said in Site Moved a PC=A MESS:

@wrcombs said in Site Moved a PC=A MESS:

My boss was pushing the compliance issues, Yes, Because it is his job to make sure compliance is met within every site. You're telling me, If im not mistaken, That following directions coming from the vendor is my boss being Dumb? or Being an Ass?

Straight from PCI Data Security Standard: Build and Maintain a Secure Network:
1. Install and maintain a firewall configuration to protect cardholder data.
2. Do no use Vendor- supplied Defaults for system passwords and other security parameters .

I guess reading this more thoroughly so I could continue this conversation: no where does it say It has to be a separate or isolated network, Only that It needs to be behind a firewall as far as Networking is concerned.

Correct, I'm telling you, straight up, that if your boss claims that those words in ANY WAY suggest you can't use a VLAN, he's either insanely stupid, or a ridiculous liar who thinks you easy to push around.

There is NOTHING about a separate network there. Not one thing.

I understand that now, at first I was a little confused, but now having seen and looked into everything more based off of what you are telling me , I find that everything you are saying makes perfect sense

Not that it means you can do something about it. But knowing that the boss is most likely just trying to blow you off, or just trying to make things complicated for some personal reason at the expense of the company makes it far better to be able to at least learn from the scenario.

Your quality take aways here include...

Your boss is not to be trusted (why, we don't know, but a reliable source, he is not.) Look for another job (you know this, but it's a reminder.) You now know PCI far better than before (and better than your boss.) You now have more experience in evaluating someone giving excuses rather than actual logic.

@emad-r said in Linux As File Server- Break Out From Other Thread:

@scottalanmiller said in Linux As File Server- Break Out From Other Thread:

@emad-r said in Linux As File Server- Break Out From Other Thread:

The only down side to it, that the files will take size on their machine as well as the NC server, thats it. If you can afford this, then this is the way to go.

That's purely optional. Not a given. NextCloud can be used with files purely on the server just like with SMB.

Huh, how so ? you mean only via web client. If your installing the agent at somepoint it will need to sync the files to your account synced folder.

That's one option, but not what I mean. You can map drives to it, too.

@dbeato said in Can Roaming Profiles be a good idea?:

Before Windows 10 to get a symlinknyou couldn’t do it without elevated permissions now is much improved.

I use directory junction (/J) instead of directory symbolic link (/D), which requires admin privileges. All I wanted is to create a link from c:\users\user1\Desktop to c:\users\user1\Nextcloud\Desktop.

Edit: Now obviously there are more to it than just creating links to have it properly setup.

@shuey said in Advice on building "storage servers" with two DL380 G7 servers:

The CDW rep said:

"Is it apple to apples or did xbyte use third party memory and drives? We are dell's largest partner so it should not be a large difference if truly apples to apples."

CDW might be the largest, but they aren't known for passing along good pricing, being very honest and they only deal in new, not refurb. So it is expected that their prices will be way higher.

xByte will use non-Dell parts, but keeps them under warranty. So it remains apples to apples. CDW is just panicking because they want the sale.

Also, in the followup post on the blog they actually do another interesting lab that requires this first bit.

@Dashrender said in When Robocopy Fails because of Folder Permissions...:

@NetworkNerd said in When Robocopy Fails because of Folder Permissions...:

f our projects after moving servers will be to clean up permissions and remove the full control.

I used robocopy a year or so ago to do just this. There is an option in robocopy that allows robocopy to run as the backup service to copy the data to the new location. This solve any issues I had with my admin account not having access to files on the volume I was moving.

robocopy /b = backup mode (if you don't have permissions, restart the copy of that file using the backup account)

The backup mode parameter worked like a champ. Thanks again for the help.

@dafyre said in Kooler on DFS-R Issues:

With Starwind's coming Linux release (or has it already been released?)... Would this not be done in a Linux VM? That would eliminate concerns about licensing and such.

StarWind Linux VSA is released

There's no problem to install anything like us into parent partition, question was is it OK to use it as a file server with a free version of Windows

@msff-amman-Itofficer

I still need to test Nextcloud for the available options in terms of governance and compliance.

@scottalanmiller said in Debian File Server File Recovery:

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@wirestyle22 said in Debian File Server File Recovery:

We finally found the replication point and recovered the file. One thing I noticed working here is that the VM's are not named the host names. I looked for it for hours across all of our subdomains and could not find it. I had to go through each individual VM and eventually found it.

We still have some old Unix white beards that do this. It annoys the crap out of me. He just set up a server and called it Odin.....

That's all fine and good as long as odin.mydomain.net actually resolves to that actual server, lol.

Ya it just annoys me ha. Everything else is named by purpose.

Our one server... it got names Zues. Of course we knew it was going to be just the 1 server for the foreseeable future.

If you must use Planets, Greek gods, Mythical creatures, et al... Please make sure they are pselled correctly to avoid further confusion.

I don't understand the reason to do that over function. I'd much rather name a server WDS01 then Ptah01.

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@scottalanmiller said in Freenas 9.2.18 server , CIFS services unable to start:

@Ghani said in Freenas 9.2.18 server , CIFS services unable to start:

Yes i agree your sounds

If the only goal is an open source file server (we call this a SAM-SD, there is a section of the forum just for that) then the most likely recommendations for an OS will be openSuse Tumbleweed or Fedora. CentOS and Ubuntu are fine choices too. FreeBSD is excellent, but less well known.

You make it sound as though the wise choice here would be to install OpenSuse etc direct to the hardware.

@JaredBusch said in Files in a LANLESS system:

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@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:

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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:

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@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@scottalanmiller said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@Dashrender said in Files in a LANLESS system:

@scottalanmiller let's assume that we get direct application access from Word/Writer into SP or NC, how do you send a link to someone else so they know they have access? How do you register that 'link' in some way so that the correct application launches when trying to open the link?

How do you do it today? Why would it need to change at all?

Paying particular attention to Gene's wording, there would be no more files, only data in a DB. In that case, to send the information via email would mean extracting that data into some kind of usable format then emailing it.

So the contents of the file are simply sent as a file.... that's all a file normally is, a database holding text directly on it with a label on it with the filename. So.... literally nothing changes here under the hood. There is no more or less extraction than before.

You were weren't talking about getting rid of docx files and xlsx files, etc?

Yup, and still am. No files, but that doesn't mean that you can't have a file "view".

But OneDrive, etc still store those things as objects, I don't think you can edit the 'Word.doc' file directly inside the DB, you need to send that object of data to Word to edit it.

As objects, not as files. I don't need to pull the files from OneDrive to edit them. I can talk to the database directly with MS Office 2013 or later, even the online version.

Yeah Office is a bad example because of the massive integration.

Or a good example because it shows how easily it can be done and how well people can't even tell.

LOL - yeah, but you are limited to only MS based files, All other files are just stored as objects in the DB.

Are they? I'm not sure of that. But that's always going to be the case. File systems are for ad hoc, unplanned files. The real question should be... why do such files exist in your environment? When do you actually want ad hoc file types that you didn't expect?

Actually Sharepoint does not natively interface .doc files either. It only uses the new format .docx files in the manner you are saying.

Don't I know it.. I was playing with SharePoint and damn if I didn't have all kinds of problems with DOC files.

@scottalanmiller said in Securing Linux File Servers:

@wirestyle22 said in Securing Linux File Servers:

@scottalanmiller Nothing stands out between them?

ioSafe uses Synology under the hood. So no. LOL

So it's like HP vs. Canon. Got it.

Getting lots of eyes on this thread today. Very interesting.

No, there is nothing like that. The filesystem is just not there. It would warn you, though, so you would know not to be trying to save to something that doesn't exist.

It is not uncommon to only have servers approved to access the storage listed. So many shops will go in and add a server one by one to enable access. If your servers almost never change, this works pretty well and is extremely secure. You can do this in the firewall too, for even more security. But if you are using DevOps and creating and destroying VMs regularly you will want to automate this in some fashion.

@scottalanmiller said:

@brianlittlejohn said:

@scottalanmiller said:

@anonymous said:

@DustinB3403 Thanks for your help! NFS is case sententive, it is mounted now! 😄

Everything outside of the Windows and DOS worlds is case sensitive. SMB, NFS, URLs, file names, passwords, usernames, everything.

Thats what bugs me about Linux ... I hate case sensitive things.

I'm the opposite, I can't stand that DOS can't tell two characters apart and has "close enough" syntax so that people become sloppy and begin to lose the concept of congruency. I remember dealing with a bunch of students and getting them to understand things like "This", "this" and "t h I s" were not congruent was a real problem. Windows teachers users that exact doesn't mean exact, not always.

I think that is why I like cisco's ios software... i don't have to type the full command... just enough to distinguish it from the other commands available.... I see the benefits of case sensitive, it just will take me a bit to get used to using it as I learn Linux.